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California massacre sparks gun debate – again – with a society struggling across the road ahead

THOUSAND OAKS, California – Justin Bouse survived mass photography at Borderline Bar and Grill on Wednesday by hiding behind a…

Justin Bouse survived mass photography at Borderline Bar and Grill on Wednesday by hiding behind a stairwell and flying with his girlfriend Nicole through the kitchen and out the back door.

Despite the phases of another gun-related massacre – under which a marine veteran killed 11 people in the bar and a law enforcement officer who responded to the attack – and despite concern and trauma attacked the attack, Bouse said he is quite certain there will not be a wave of anti-gun protests in this calm southern California community.

California already has some of the country’s strictest pistol control measures and the ex-military members and police who line-danced to landslide on Borderline are more likely to wish they had been armed at the bar equipped to take out the shooter before he could do as much damage as he did.

“This crowd is conservative leaning,” said Bouse on Thursday night outside of the shuttered dance hall as smoke from nearby fires filled the air. “If anything, they will be more weapons and get up that way.”

Students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL., Set a pistol control activism template after an attack on their school in February which left 1

7 people dead. At the other end of the spectrum are communities such as Sutherland Springs, Tex. Where a church that shot a year ago, claiming more than two dozen lives, community calls led to increased gun ownership as a way to protect the innocent. [19659006] Thousand Oaks – a wealthy community of Mediterranean homes about 40 miles from Los Angeles – seems likely to fall somewhere in between. Some residents spoke openly that the mass shooter would inspire gun control, others said they would prefer more weapons generally as a security measure, and others seemed to go to status quo – an America with massacre problems.


Jasmine Alexander, 25, center, talks to an FBI agent on Friday to restore his car, which was left near the Borderline Bar and Grill in Oaks, California. Alexander was in the bar on Wednesday night during mass photography. She injured her left hand as she climbed out of a window.

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The grieving family of Telemachus Orfanos, a country music fan that survived mass photography in a Las Vegas country music festival last year to be gunned down on Wednesday night, got the attention when they demanded gun control rather than common thoughts and prayers. But in an interview with Washington Post, young dad injected a dose of pessimism.

“If you hit down 5-year-olds in Sandy Hook made no impression, nothing comes,” says Marc Orfanos. “The reason is that the NRA owns most of the Republican Party, and probably some of the Democratic Party. Together with that cut is broken, it will not end.”

Thousand Oaks began as a planned bedroom community for Los Angeles in the 1960s, century, and it has become more varied and more prosperous since the median home price rises to $ 669,500 – twice the national average. It has also changed its policy, becoming more democratic, although Republicans are still the largest number of registered voters, 36 percent to Democrats 34 percent, the remainder without party referrals.

The city’s state and federal representatives are now Democrats, and by 2016, Hillary Clinton Donald Trump hit a margin of almost 10 percentage points in the presidential election. Republicans here are modest, but it’s still Reagan Country – the former president was buried right across the hill in Simi Valley at his great presidential library.

Like its neighbor, Simi Valley, the area is still a magnet for law enforcement officers from Los Angeles and cowboys of all stripes. Sixty-something ranchers in strawboats often swing college girls to “Sweetheart Schottische” on Borderlines dance floor.

“It’s basically a fairly conservative area with high condominiums and high incomes,” said Herb Gooch, a Political Professor at California Lutheran University. “Historically, there has been an area that has been quite conservative, with the exception of environmental issues.”

When the black cloaked gunman – who was identified as 28-year-old Ian David Long – shot into the bar and on Wednesday night, he wears a .45-caliber Glock gun, the authorities said. Such handguns are common and legal.

Adam Winkler, a legal professor at the University of California Los Angeles and the author of “Gunfight: The Battle of the Right to Wear Arms in America” ​​said that the shot will likely lead government officials to strive for more stringent gun measures and note that the Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom has promised to raise the issue and to “lift the bar” on gun control.

“California already has a strong political will to do this, it does not need the people in Ventura County to print on it,” said Winkler.

US Rep. Julia Brownley (D-Calif.) Said in a statement that society “supports the arms protection legislation and increased resources for mental health.” To do nothing, she said, “is a moral bankruptcy.”

The sad and the guards here stopped by a firepowder swept through the area shortly after the shot, which led to that evacuation orders for about 75 percent of society would happen. As attention was removed from the massacre, some local students said they hoped that a reply from Parkland style would still be possible.

“I think it will be a really big political movement here at CLU. . . and I’m pretty sure I’ll be part of it, “says Rama Youssef, a freshman at California Lutheran University in Thousand Oaks. “The most important thing I hear from people here is,” It could have been me. “”

Youssef, a refugee who fled civil war and violence in Syria, was regularly at Borderline and the shot was touching a nerve.

“I blinked back to so many memories from my childhood,” she said. “I was very afraid to leave my dormitory. I was not allowed to eat until 4 in the afternoon. I had to convince me that there was no shooter outside.”

Chase Karbon, 17, who participated in a vigilance for the victims, said he was not “surprised” that the shot was in his neighborhood. He has thought a lot about what happened earlier this year to people who are his age in Parkland. He has thought that the same can happen in his high school. And he sees no solution to the violence problem.

“I’m losing more hope every day,” he said.

He said he expects that there will be a major debate about gun control in his city in the coming days – and he expects that little will be changed.

“We did the same after Parkland, we will do the same after this,” he said. “And we will do the same after the next attack.”

Biasotti is a freelance journalist based in California. Joel Achenbach and Katie Mettler of Thousand Oaks, California, contributed to this report.

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